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gas and opened fire. holmes was a phd candidate at the neuroscience program at the university of colorado. prior to today holmes's only brush with law, a speeding ticket. now to how the events unfolded inside that theater. the chaos erupted. the first calls to 911 at 12:39 a.m. local time. >> there's saying somebody is shooting in the auditorium. there is at least one person that's been shot but they're saying there's just hundreds of people running around. >> within 90 seconds police were on the scene.
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>> seven down. seven down. >> get me some officers in nine so we can get the moveable victims out. >> according to scanner traffic, holmes was spotted around 12:45, he was arrested shortly thereafter in the parking lot behind the theater, still wearing the vest, helmet and gas mask. four weapons were recovered at the scene. they were all purchased legally over the past 60 days. he also purchased more than 6,000 rounds of ammunition over the internet, legal as well. the weapons include two 40-caliber glock hnd guns with 3,000 rounds of ammunition. he also had an ar-15 assault rifle which was left behind in the theater. earlier the police chief spoke about the potential capability of this one weapon. >> i've been asked was the weapon automatic or
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semiautomatic. i can't answer that question right now, but even if it was semiautomatic, i'm told by experts that with that drum magazine, he could have gotten off 50 to 60 rounds, even if it was semiautomatic, within one minute. >> drew griffin joins me now. when it comes to planning, what more do we know about the other equipment that he bought? >> we don't know how long he's been thinking about this, but we do know how long he's been planning and implementing his plan, over the last two months, june and july, is when he bought the guns. on july 2nd, cnn has obtained this receipt to buy tactical gear from an outfit in missouri. it included an urban assault best, a triple pistol magazine, a magazine pouch and a knife. all of them specified ordered in
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black and all of them ordered second-day air. >> i'm just looking at the fire power. 3,000 rounds. it's unbelievable. is there anything on this guy which would explain why he did this? >> well, we've been covering all the usual suspects, the courts, any kind of court cases, arrest records, girlfriends who would post something online, if if he would post something online. we've been down this road, we've seen the youtube videos that are posted. we've seen none of this. all we're getting is that he was a pretty good, smart student. >> it happened on opening night. do we know if he planned all along to have this happen on opening night? >> we learned from ray kelly, the police commissioner of new york that his hair was dyed red and the guy called himself the joker and obviously there's some connection with this movie and he timed it to be opening night. we at this point have no idea
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what was going on. >> it is unbelievable. the country and the world shocked by this and we're learning new information. drew griffin. >> the police chief spoke out just a short time ago talking about how officers reacted and really talking about the heros and at one point, he broke down and really become emotional. take a listen. >> our cops went through a lot. as i told you this morning, they rushed people out of that theater into police cars. i've heard some compelling stories. one of the things we are working on is how we're going to deal with our own trauma. >> and no one was spared. no one. the victims ranging at age from at least one infants to adults. one of those killed 24-year-old jessica ghawi.
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an aspiring sports journalist. just last month she narrowly missed crossing paths with another gunman. in that instant one person was killed and seven were injured. she tweeted just before the attack. movie doesn't start for 20 minutes. her friend with her was able to make it out alive. >> he was very fortunate to be alive. because, i mean, that shrapnel, those bullet particles could have gone anywhere and hit some vitals and killed him instantly. but it didn't. his guardian angel was with him for sure. there's no doubt. >> well, jessica wasn't as lucky, unfortunately. tonight her mother greefs. >> i'll never have her to hug again or get a text message again or get a funny facebook
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picture. that's the hard part right now. just knowing those are things that i'm never going to get to experience again. >> joining me now is jessica's brother jordan ghawi and peter burns. it hurts me to hear that. i can image the pain going through your heart right now. >> my family and friends, there's been out pouring of support. >> we're so sorry for your loss. when you heard the news, where were you? >> i was in san antonio, in my bedroom asleep. i got a phone call from my mother and there was some hysterics and i got some news that my sister was shot. i spoke to brad. >> just speaking for the people at home, i can't even imagine how you are able to stand at
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this moment. i personally think i would be in a hospital under medication right now. how are you able to be so strong? do you want people to know how good a. >> it's a testment to my family. and the community. they've powered out to us. and right now they're focusing on her life and celebrating it and hopefully getting the other victims out there and celebrating their lives as well. >> and peter you stood there before the show and telling happy stories about jessica. you zbies were saying if she was here she would be touching every button and knocking everybody off the air she was your intern? >> i worked at the station here and when i moved here to denver i really enjoyed the city and she wanted to progress her career and she said should i move out there and do it and i said absolutely. that was the thing his sister
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was always about was taking a risk and pushing herself. she did that and moved her with no support system. >> followed her dream. >> followed her dream. >> that's how people who are successful in this business, they're tenacious and curious. i'm looking here, jordan you've been candid on your blog. you're big into social media and you said while still administering first aid, brent noticed that jessica was no longer screaming. he advised that he looked over to jessica and saw what appeared to be an entry wound to her head. what kind of reaction, what does your family think about you sharing this information online. >> i've been a firefighter paramedic for seven years. so i'm somewhat numb to some of this. and i also believe in full transparency. i don't want to hide anything from my parents, family or friends and they need to know what's happened.
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it's better they find out through me than through anybody else. >> we also talked about what happened at the mall. she came very close, she had a brush with death and i remember that shooting because i was on the anchor desk and. she was there and got a funny feeling. >> it was weird because when she came back in town, it was almost she used it as motivation. just like you know what, okay, i have an another opportunity. i'm going to make it every single day. one of the cool things, we sat face to face at dinner and the reason why she called the dinner she wanted to set up a charity for the wild fires that were happening here in colorado and she wanted to set up a way to get hockey equipment to get kids that didn't have it any longer. so the thing that i told jordan this, she looked me in the eye, i don't want my name attached to
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this. i'm not doing this to get in the newspaper or media or what not. that's what she was. >> if she had a sentence that would sum up your sister. i know her life was beyond that, but what would you say? >> a sentence to sum u7 my sister? >> a pens ernlt i will maintain in my heart forever. the 24 years i got to spend with her. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> if you need anything let us know. we're going to move on now and talk more about the shooter in this incident. we're back in a moment. why not try someplace different every morning? get two times the points on dining in restaurants with chase sapphire preferred.
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welcome back everyone, i'm don lemon. erinis on assignment in african. we are lorng more about james holmes. one federal law enforcement source with detailed knowledge of the investigation tells cnn that holmes had colored his hair red and told police he was the joker. at a press conference that wrapped up just a while ago, police wouldn't speculate on a motive, only saying holmes has an attorney. neighbors told police he lived alone and kept to himself. still, many questions remain. gym spellman is here, miguel mar
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kez, we want to start with they're concerned about all of the potential explosives inside his apartment tonight. >> that's certainly a very big concern because they do not want to add to the number of injuries and casualties. the apartment building is right over my right shoulder. it's dark, but don't let that deter you that this is a very active situation, this is a dangerous situation for police. the robots were in earlier in the day, and the police are an liesing some of the pictures that the robots took and what the pictures reveal is that this apartment had a maze of trip wires, there were booby traps from top to bottom, bot ols of
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chemicals that are very suspicisu suspicio suspicious. >> i personally have never seen anything like what the pick shurs shows what is there. i'm a layman when it comes to bomb stuff. i see an awful lot of wires, trip wars, jars full of ammunition, jars full of liquid, some things that look like mortar rounds. we have a lot of challenges to get in there safely. >> it's such a challenge that law enforcement officials are now considering, they're telling cnn considering having to go in there and then have robots detonate some of the devases inside. it's simply not safe for the people to go inside. this apartment was being laid out like a trap for first responders. and the woman who lives below this apartment, we spoke to this woman who lives right underneath, and she told us that something very suspicious happened last night. at about midnight some loud tech know music suddenly came on.
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>> came on, yes. like somebody started up a party, which was so unusual because we didn't hear people up there. >> he couldn't have been there. do you think it was set on a timer? >> i do believe it was set on a timer especially considered the events that i now know transpired. >> so what is the timer business? it's set to go off potentially when those first responders go in. that woman ended up calling police but they could not respond immediately because they were dealing with the crisis at the movie theater. so there was trauma here around the buildings. five buildings have been evacuated. some of the residents were allowed briefly for five minutes, allowed to go back to their apartments and carry out some of their items this evening. this happened just a short time ago. we also spoke to many people who live here in this apartment building. we met one man who isn't just an
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evacuee from these complexes, he also had a son who was inside the movie theater when the shooting happened. here's what he had to say. >> i think i don't know. i'm still in shock, you know. >> lay it out for me. how did it impact your life in two different essay ways? >> i almost lost my son today. >> of course we're upset. and especially john, because he could have lost luke, you know. luke was at the movie theater and then all of a sudden we find out this guy lives next store to us. the next building. >> this family being affected in many ways and it's a story that we're hearing repeated among many of the family members of the victims. here in the small community we have talked to many many relatives of people who were still in the hospital and they all tell a very similar story. their child, their brother
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coming out of the surgical room and this evening still in a coma, still connected to wires. i have to tell you that these stories really are -- you can see the anguish in all of the faces of these family members who are simply hoping that their relatives are going to get better. >> you never know what's going on in someone's mind. thank you, we appreciate that. let's talk more now about this 24-year-old student at the university of colorado, gym spellman has been looking into that. >> it's so incongruent, his academic year. in 2010 he finished his undergrad degree in university of california. >> he's from that area? >> from the san diego area. june of last year he comes here to the university of colorado, denver studying to get a phd in neuroscience, not in any way
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easy. we know he's potentially studied things like depression, substantial abuse, anxiety, things in that realm. but something clearly has changed. because last month he began to voluntarily withdraw from school. we know that the school took away his access cards to get into building. they say he did that voluntarily, but no indication yet why. clearly something was changing in his life especially the last few months as he withdraws from schools and starts buying these guns. >> he had no record except for a speeding ticket in october of 2011. i have speeding tickets. >> i spoke today with a guy in the neighborhood who had beers with him just tuesday night. just sort of an average, nerdy geeky guy. nobody you would consider a threat. listen. >> you see this, knowing this guy is down the street at the bar with me drinking beer and he
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lives right here and i'm on the next block with explosives, that's insane. >> he's right, it is insane. >> a puzzling picture. a lot more to piece together. >> thank you, jim. he's from the san diego area, and this investigation spreads across country. we're going to go to new york to m migle marquez who is covering this this part of the story. >> they want to paint a full picture of who mr. holmes is. several agents and law enforcement types are in san diego speaking to family, friends, anybody who might have information about him. they're looking for computers or physical evidence. same goes for riverside, california where he got his bachelor's of science in neuroscience, speaking to his professors and school
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authorities there and any friends in that area. we've also learned that he did visit a pawn shop in san diego in the last few months. he was asking about weapons that he might use for home protection. they recommended a glock, they romd a shotgun, two of the weapons he had on him last night. don? >> the more you find out about this, just the more disturbing it gets. and all of this miguel as you said, a nationwide, a hunt here to figure out the clues to the motive. the police here, as far as what we're hearing, think they that he ablthed alone. >> it does appear that he acted alone but they want to paint as full a picture as possible, because they want to understand whether there was something they missed along the way. they want to understand what his motives were and where this person may have got the ideas and started to go wrong. but more than anything, they want to figure out if there was some way to have stopped him
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we're back now live at the scene of last night's shooting. there is that century 16 movie theater. the marquis lighted up. it must have been last night when people were excited to see the opening of the new batman movie. we want to go to john avalon back in new york with some of the other stories that we're following. >> we start the second half of the show with stories we care about. we focus on our own reporting from the front lines. the three major indexes all lost about a percent, the dow closing down 121 points. stocks have been up, one reason is the lack of news out of europe. today that changed. euro zone finance minute sters agreed to lend up to $123 billion to help spain bail out
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its banks. local police say they're treating the case of two missing iowa girls as an abduction. an fbi team searched the lakes, but they investigators are confident because the girls are not in a lake. the two girls, have now been missing for a week. the u. new security council has renewed the mission for an additional 30 days. if the violence does not recede enough, the mission will be withdrawn. they monitor the six point peace plan which was supposed to monitor a cease never happened. >> given what transpired, the u.s. approach will increasingly
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be to focus our efforts not so much in this council, which has hit a substantive dead end, but also to strengthen and intensify our work with other countries. an opposition group says 215 were killed in syrian violence today. former president george w. bush is going to skip the convention. he supports mitt romney and want him to succeed. but he's still enjoying his time off the political stage and respectfully declines the information to go to the tampa. his father announced he wouldn't be there either due to health reasons. it's been 3 a1 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. 29 states added jobs in june. unemployment rose in 27 states. part of the reason is more
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people who are out of work started looking for jobs which increases the size of the labor pool. now let's send it back to don lemon in colorado. thank you, john. our third story tonight, out front. we have been hearing from many movie goers about the massacre. some say when they saw him they thought he was some sort of gimmick to promote the new batman movie and as we all know now, that wasn't the case. >> don, this is what law enforcement suggests now happened. they believe the suspect came into the theater with a ticket, went out through an exit door to the right of the screen toward his car, which was parked just outside of that exit, and there they think that he geared up for
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the attack and at approximately 12:37 or 12:38, he came back in. what witnesses say they saw was at some point a canister was tossed in here spraying gas into the room. he fired at the ceiling first and then this man who was wearing all black and a bulletproof vest and a gas mask, started shooting into a crowd. he was using an ar-15 assault rifle, a remington shotgun and a glock. 12: 39. by this time hundreds of calls are flooding into police headquarters and officers are racing into the theater. they surround the place, call for more help. 12:42. some witnesses say the gunman is shooting inside. at 12:46, at some point the
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witnesses say the shooter stops shooting, walks out the way he came in, towards his car and that's where the police grab him right outside. he still has two weapons on him, they say in addition to the vest and gas mask, he's wearing a balistic throat and groin protector and tactical gloves. they find a scene of unimage nabl karnage. some who can't be moved. by 12:46, they have the suspect, they've gone to his apartment, and they're transporting people to their hospital in their cars because there aren't enough ambulances to handle them all. don? >> tom. thank you very much. witnesses rekounding the theater
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massacre describe the scene as terror and panic. he allegedly opened fire at random. >> jennifer seeger and emma goose were both in the theater. you were in the second row? >> yeah. i and i was in the very far right portion of the aisle. >> which row were you in? >> one row back, also the far right, so i must have been right behind you. >> sitting in the second row, how was it that you in the third row did not get injured? >> i don't know. he pointed the gun on me and i ducked and covered and got to the ground and jumped on my best friend and we all just laid there as flat as we could. >> you see him. >> four or five feet. >> he came to you and pointed right at you. which one of the guns, do you
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know. >> the rifle. >> what did you think? >> well, my heart stopped first and foremost and i didn't know what to think other than i need to move fast. otherwise i was going to get shot. so i just jumped to the ground on top of my best friend and we tucked underneath the chairs. and there was another couple in front of us and i told them to get down low too and don't move at all. and when the gunman goes up the stairs, crawl and get out. >> so you immediately did not think it was something to promote the movie. you knew it was bad. >> oh, know. there was a gun in my face and he wasn't playing around. >> so you were in the third row. does he stand there or does he continue to move the entire time. >> he continued to move but it was a few seconds before he started to move and those few seconds were when it took us to figure out he wasn't joking because i did immediately think that he was joking. i thought the canister was like
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a smoke bomb and i thought the rifle was maybe a roman candle. and i realized as i looked at the rifle it wasn't a piece of flame shooting from the barrel, it was the bullet igniting out of the barrel. >> did you then start to ingest whatever was in that canister. >> no. he threw it behind the lower section of the theater, so it pretty much rose to the lifted seats. we were really lucky to not get that in our faces. >> eventually it traveled down but it was dlulted at that point. >> did you guys get any injuries at all? >> nothing too big. i just have scrapes and stuff. >> so cuts and bruises. >> so you're in front. i imagine there aren't as many people as close as you are. are you seeing what's going on. are you seeing people falling and being injured? >> if you looked back, you could see all the people getting shot. i mean you could see people
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falling down the stairs, kids and women and children screaming, you could hear it. it was loud and the movie was still going there was gun shots and it was hard to tell what was happening where. if you were to look back you could see it all. but i kept my head down trying to stay safe. >> were people ducking for cover, did you see anyone running out or were most people getting on the floor? >> we were, from my seat, the front portion of us, were all like ducking for cover. even euro, we were smart, just ducked to the ground. at that point the people in the back, those people were getting up and running. >> i was saying someone to talk about how they were in one of the lifted rows and when they ducked there was only maybe six inches of cover over them. >> i have to ask you this, i'm glad that you survived and we're sad for the victims and
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families. you've heard of survivors' guilt. do you think oh, my gosh, why me? >> i kind of definitely did in the beginning of the day. people were asking me about that a lot. because i heard there was like a 6-year-old that got shot and a baby. i'm 22, take me instead and i had that guilt. but i realized i did what any normal human being would have done is try to survive. there's only so much you can do. in realism, i realize that people were not going to be able to come out. >> what do you say to the world. what do you say about the people here? >> i mean, taking all of this tragedy with the incredible unity and support that has immediately formed underneath all of the victims and the people who have witnessed this, it's really inspiring to see the way that people can come together over something that's
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so horrendous and life changing and ruining, really. people's lives will never be the same after this night. there's so many people reaching out and trying to make a difference. >> thank you guys. >> thank you. >> stay strong. we're going to move on now and talk about preventing future attacks. is it possible? can you even do it? stin. ♪ i would've appreciated a proactive update on the status of our relationship. who do you think i am, tim? quicken loans? at quicken loans, we provide you with proactive updates on the status of your home loan. and our innovative online tools ensure that you're always in the loop. one more way quicken loans is engineered to amaze.
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our fourth story out front tonight, responding to an attack like today's massacre. the suspect james holmes took advantage of a place that we all visit, one that's difficult to secure, a movie theater. while holmes is in custody this evening, he remains a threat to police who are now trying to defuse his booby trapped apartment. as miguel marquez reports, it forced the fbi to train.
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>> reporter: within minutes 911 operators flooded with calls. >> we're having units getting to the skun now. >> reporter: authorities say within two minutes, first responders were on the scene but quickly realized it wasn't just guns they had to worry about. police say the suspected shooter, 24 year old james holmes sent off two devices. >> it was preplanned, it was well planned and very well executed. >> reporter: holmes so planned his attack, he booby trapped his apartment. >> officials say devices are becoming all too common. to iraq, explosive devices are a threat and can be made with recipes from the event net and
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chemicals and materials found in any hardware store. the fbi has been teaching courses. >> what color is the smoke? look at the brightness of the flames. >> reporter: on bomb making and the way bombs work. >> we've seen a rise of improvised explosives. >> reporter: kathleen is a bomb technician in los angeles. with loan wolves, rarely will it be law enforcement that catches them. >> it's going to be the retail clerks, the companies that manufacture these. >> reporter: law enforcement educating themselves, trying to keep up, a race against the growing threat of home made bombs. >> and there you see miguel live for us in new york. why booby trap the apartment. >> it's unclear whether he was trying to injure first
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responders, a neighbor went and knocked on the door. it could be that he was just trying to cover his own tracks. investigators believe that there is a treasure trove of material in that apartment. they don't want to go through and start exploding those devices. they want to salvage as much from that apartment as possible. at the moment it looks like it's going to be tough to do that. >> there's always concern about copy cats. i would imagine they're trying to get new information now. how much concern is there for copy cats. >> certainly a huge concern. we've seen these ieds happen throughout the last several years, but they also are concerned that we're going to see more of these and you often see copy cat criminals. they're certainly on the watch for that, increased security at many theaters not oebl in
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colorado, but in new york and washington and other places. people are girding for the worst but at the moment we haven't seen any copy cats. don? >> all right. miguel marquez with the investigation. now we're going to talk about the politics. the mayor of the biggest city in the country demands more from the president on gun control. >> soothing words are nice, but maybe it's time that the two people who want to be president of the united states stand up and tell us what they're going to do about it. because this is obviously a problem across the country. >> the nation's largest lobby to prevent gun control, the brady campaign, echoed that sentiment saying, this tragedy is another grim reminder that guns are the enablers of mass killers and that our nation pays an unacceptable price for our failure to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people. john avalon, back in new york.
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john, what are the candidate's stances on guns? >> it's fascinating. take a look what's being proposed. in the case of president obama, he does support strengthening gun control legislation. however his administration has no specific proposals they're putting forward. in some cases they've actually lose loosened gun control laws. and on governor romney's side, as governor he signed legislation that enforced gun control, but as presidential candidate he's changed that tune. he's paid a lot of attention to the nra and he's pledging no new gun control actions at all if he were to be present. >> i have to say, it was very interesting today listening to both the president and mitt romney calling it a truce today, both campaigns took down their ads in colorado, and both
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candidates changed their plans today. so i'm wondering, what exactly are -- let's listen to them and then we'll talk about it. >> there are going to be other days for politics. this, i think, is a day for prayer and reflection. >> this is a time for each of us to look into our hearts and remember how much we love one another. and how much we love and how much we care for our great country. >> it was much needed and great sentiment of course by both gentlemen. but no one talked about gun regulations john. not a surprise to you, i'm sure. >> no, it's not. talking about gun control has become politically incorrect. the last president who took it on was bill clinton and despite we see these daily nents of gun violence in the united states there's not an appetite to put
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forth specific proposals and that's a problem. >> the gun lobby, one of the most influential, correct. >> absolutely. right now they outspend gun control advocates 10-1. and money talks of course. that 10-1 difference does account by the reelectricity answer to take on the issue. despite the fact that the polls show that there is broad support for increasing background checks, support for restricting the sales of these excessive magazines. issues like that. >> cnn contributor john avalon. up next the impact that the shoot is having on the movie.
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the tragedy here in colorado has caused warner brothers to change some of its plans for promoting "the dark knight rises." it's not just corner brothers. amc says they will not admit fans who are wearing masks or
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>> on monday, erin bur et will be hosting the program live from war torn tonight, breaking news. a colorado movie theater massacre. officially now the largest mass shooting in u.s. history. a gunman opens fire at a midnight showing of "the dark knight rises." >> he was not saying anything at all. he was just quiet. he was literally shooting everyone. like it was, like, hunting son
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or something. >> at least 12 dead, 59 more injured, including a 4-month-old baby. is this a face of evil? why would anyone commit this atrocity? plus, chilling stories from survivors. >> this one guy, he was crawling on all fours and it seemed as if he had been shot in his back and he was just gasping for air, it was terrible. >> the battle wages again over america's gun laws. the shooter bought all four of his weapons legally in the last four months. this is "piers morgan tonight." an act of evil that in seconds left 12 people dead. all the victims wanted was to see the new batman film. a packed theater, nowhere to run or escape from this maniac. police say the killer is james holmes, a 24-year-old ph.d.

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